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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:40:00 -
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I know its going to be painful to people who have gotten used to a certain level of risk-free profit but really this is exactly the kind of thing Eve Online needs to become dynamic again. Risk/reward for outfits willing to take the step of moving their operations to lowsec.
For the record its highly likely my corporation will be operating zero % (or extremely low rate) customs offices in lowsec (for everyone friends, neutrals, enemies) to represent our roleplay ideology as free trade anarchists.
We love the idea of encouraging settlement in lowsec and are happy for any small outfits / individuals making use of the facilties for free (tiny tax rates)
Having the hisec tax set high gives us a better chance to persuade people to make the jump. Hence this is a good change.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:56:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: I know its going to be painful to people who have gotten used to a certain level of risk-free profit but really this is exactly the kind of thing Eve Online needs to become dynamic again. Risk/reward for outfits willing to take the step of moving their operations to lowsec.
For the record its highly likely my corporation will be operating zero % (or extremely low rate) customs offices in lowsec (for everyone friends, neutrals, enemies) to represent our roleplay ideology as free trade anarchists.
We love the idea of encouraging settlement in lowsec and are happy for any small outfits / individuals making use of the facilties for free (tiny tax rates)
Having the hisec tax set high gives us a better chance to persuade people to make the jump. Hence this is a good change.
Bullcrap. There's no added risk/reward with these PCOs at all. It's nothing but added expenses. People won't waste their time in lowsec defending these useless structures... if they can't keep one up they'll simply stop wasting their time with PI. It's even more useless in wormhole space... I don't know what the hell Nullabor was thinking even including them in wormholes. All they are are added, useless expenses, wasted isk. With these dumbassed tax rates we'll be setting them to 0% in hole in order to keep from screwing over corp and alliance folks and pretty much shutting the door on any of those mythical ninja-WH-PI people I hear of. Even a 1% tax at the new figures is more than what was being paid prior, so it's not worth having one at all when your own allies are going to be the only ones affected. This is one change that if it went away wouldn't be missed, aside from the blowhards and griefers that is.
Excuse me. Take a breath and consider.
I've told you in the post above that my corp intends to put up these offices for low or non existant tax rates. We want to do that because we want to attract trade to lowsec. We're not asking you (or other loners) to put up offices and take responsibility for protecting them.
This change is CCP giving us (in star fraction) a tool to encourage activity in lowsec systems where we operate. Please take off the blinkers and realise this is a multiplayer game and the game dynamics go further than your own narrow self interest Ingvar Angst.
(and in future address me with a civil tongue when I post respectfully on an issue like this)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:38:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:It's people building their own stuff that are currently being hit with this asinine increase in taxes. Not if they've replaced the POCO with their own, or if they look at the prices and think "I'm still saving money". Replacing the customs offices with your own simply incurs a what... 160M or so isk hit right away that will take many months (pre-patch levels) to recoup in savings from a 0% tax rate. You take the blow all at once, then have to look at this damnable object that's nothing more than an isk sucking worthless piece of crap floating in your wormhole. They add nothing to the experience of Eve at all from a wormhole perspective, and denigrate it for the lesser spaces outside wormholes.
Don't you think its kind of ridiculous that there are customs offices around unknown planets anyway. Perhaps wormhole PI should start with an expensive program of settlement and colonization and terriforming before you could use the planets in the first place.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:47:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:I disagree, Jade.
True, PI could have used more player generated conflict but I still think the best approach would have been to make that conflict on the planets instead of coating PI with completely different mechanics and game play. The core PI mechanics still consists of simplistic clicking and moving dots around and does in no way match the engaging game play that was presented at the fan fest prior to PIs introduction.
Well I'm a fan of that heroic PI 2 suggestion they have over in features and ideas - but hey, that would take best part of a full expansion to implement. In the mean time I'm happy that PI begins to be an engine that can bring some population to lowsec and gives my corp and I something to do to positively construct a friendly trade environment.
Quote:Further, that CCP has to so strongly manipulate the market to make POCOs a viable game play speak tons about how little POCOs add to the game by themselves. As example, CCP has not needed to increase construction prices of all tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers for people to become interested in buying a tier 3. And synth booster production? Well, that game play element has been completely sacrificed for the sake of POCOs.
Well just so you know where I stand on the issue. I think NPC corps should have a big tax rate that makes it economically disadvantageous to remain in them shielded from wardecs while player corps are not. It kinda goes the same for hisec PI - its essentially risk free so it should have higher taxes than lowsec PI (which comes with the risk of enemy player action.) this stuff is just simple dynamics in the eve sandbox.
Quote:While the increased PI costs can mostly be directed to increased prices for the final products, there is no way people will buy these boosters at all now. I find it really hard to support introduction of new game mechanics when they come at the direct cost of others when there are so many other things CCP could have been improving upon.
What about synth boosters manufactured in lowsec? Won't they be cheap easy to distribute now? Why don't you come to our home system and make them :)
Quote:Finally, the POCO mechanics support the "numbers=win" and "nap feast" game play types that tire many people in zero sec. I am a firm opponent of promoting these game play types any more than necessary.
The sad truth is that numbers matter everywhere. My industrial director can control regional markets because he can throw 100billion isk at buying out rivals. There's no getting away from this stuff entirely in a multiplayer game.
But lowsec is a decent opportunity for people to make increased PI profits. It is relatively easy to travel into and if you are careful you'll rarely get ganked or ganged up on. The Customs structures are relatively cheap and easy to put up and you'll find plenty of outfits going the lowtax route. Sure its a bit of jarring step to leave the safety blanket of guarenteed npc facility profits - but in the long run interacting with other players is what the game is about.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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